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PostSubject: First Law of Thermodynamics and Atheism   First Law of Thermodynamics and Atheism EmptySun Aug 03, 2008 11:06 am

Claim : Energy is not created nor destroyed =>god did it.


The big bang theory doesn't state that something was made out of nothing. We don't know exactly what happened, but there are hypotheses to account for conservation of energy. Only a theory in which the first law of thermodynamics is not violated would hold up. Many physicists have evidence that the total energy of the universe is zero -- the positive energy we see is balanced out by something else. I'm being vague here, but I'm not a physicist. The quantum mechanical world is nonintuitive to most of us.

There are a bunch of quotes here from physicists on the conservation of energy as it relates to the formation of the universe: http://www.braungardt.com/Physics/Vacuum%20Fluctua ... . Here's one of the quotes from that page:

"There is a still more remarkable possibility, which is the creation of matter from a state of zero energy. This possibility arises because energy can be both positive and negative. The energy of motion or the energy of mass is always positive, but the energy of attraction, such as that due to certain types of gravitational or electromagnetic field, is negative. Circumstances can arise in which the positive energy that goes to make up the mass of newly-created particles of matter is exactly offset by the negative energy of gravity of electromagnetism. For example, in the vicinity of an atomic nucleus the electric field is intense. If a nucleus containing 200 protons could be made (possible but difficult), then the system becomes unstable against the spontaneous production of electron-positron pairs, without any energy input at all. The reason is that the negative electric energy can exactly offset the energy of their masses.

In the gravitational case the situation is still more bizarre, for the gravitational field is only a spacewarp - curved space. The energy locked up in a spacewarp can be converted into particles of matter and antimatter. This occurs, for example, near a black hole, and was probably also the most important source of particles in the big bang. Thus, matter appears spontaneously out of empty space. The question then arises, did the primeval bang possess energy, or is the entire universe a state of zero energy, with the energy of all the material offset by negative energy of gravitational attraction?

It is possible to settle the issue by a simple calculation. Astronomers can measure the masses of galaxies, their average separation, and their speeds of recession. Putting these numbers into a formula yields a quantity which some physicists have interpreted as the total energy of the universe. The answer does indeed come out to be zero within the observational accuracy. The reason for this distinctive result has long been a source of puzzlement to cosmologists. Some have suggested that there is a deep cosmic principle at work which requires the universe to have exactly zero energy. If that is so the cosmos can follow the path of least resistance, coming into existence without requiring any input of matter or energy at all. (Davies, 1983, 31-32)"
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