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Why Miracles are Not Proof for Anything Bread_jesus_p



The favoirate argument for theist is resorting to miracles and using them as proof for god.Beside the fact that there are no evidence supporting any of the miracles from Moses spliting the red sea 1 to Muhammed spliting the moon.

But even if someone proved a miracle,which is almost impossiable,will that prove god ?

NO

"why? If god existed, he could do it very easily."

yes ,i meant members providing evidence

"what? elaborate."

a god can be a god without performing miracles,reading thoughts ,..having advanced knowledge,..(have the ability but not attempt to..intervene)

BUT

all of those can be performed by other beings,which are much more plausible

1.Aliens

2.Time Machine

these two are much more probable than a super natural being.

1.Aliens

Universe is vast enough to have millions of life forms

Earth is 4.5 billion years old,human have been around 100,000 years

so if another planet is 500 million years older

their technology is 500 million years more advanced

so what they can do can look like miracle to us

we can be guinea pigs for aliens

or prophets can be outcast aliens coming to earth and starting their own cult

2.Time Machine

Religions can be started by people who traveled back in time to initiate a way in oroder to manipulate people (American-Jewish conspiracy)



these may sound crazy but at least there are scientific bases for them

Time Machine

http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg15721245.200-all-the-worlds-a-time-machine--imagine-that-there-are-loops-in-spacetime-and-that-the-future-caninfluence-the-past-marcus-chown-meets-a-physicist-who-is-convinced-thatthis-is-exactly-how-the-universe-works.html


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/through.html


http://www.time.com/time/reports/v21/science/time.html

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWwI61so5Q


Aliens

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ztl8CG3Sys

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j_QHxWNRNdiW35Qr00L8CkwcXyvw

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/did-life-begin-with-a-meteorite-849201.html






So what can be evidence for many thing can be proof for nothing

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extraordinary claims (god) require extra ordinary evidence (Carl Sagan)


At least our reason is logical,and in my opinion there are 2 scenarios ;

1.Either god created everything => he set the laws of the universe , and since he is not remotely provable under these circumstances .....I take it as he dosen't want to interfere,or he is not a conscious being...something like a quantum fluctuation

2.Or there is no god

what could be some good evidence :

if we have empty bodies,and all the other animals had all the vein heart and shit.

if it is god who sets when we die and....why not have empty bodies that would just show there is something special about us.

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empty universe with earth only,..so we know that universe is created for us

and a flat earth,the most efficient design.

not too obvious but still better than any miracle


1 http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/03/africa/web-0403moses.php
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